I was asked this Sunday about the Kenites. I've never been asked about them before. Heck, there are only 7 verses in the Bible that mention them and none of them seem especially significant.
It turns out Pastor Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel makes a huge deal out of the Kenites. They are the descendants of Eve and the serpent's son, you know: Cain. I did the tiny bit of research on Murray that this issue merits and found that he's mostly just doing a pretty horrible job of interpreting Genesis 3 and the seed parables in Matthew 13.
Thankfully, I turned the person asking the question to Genesis 4:1 and that was the end of it. Anyone else ran into this Kenite stuff? Anyone know much about Arnold Murray and/or Shepherd's Chapel?
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You can read all this garbage from shepherd's chapel people at factnet.org, including the 'serpent seed' doctrine. Read more about them at theseasons.org where you can go to the 'fig tree cafe' their discussion board. It's a trip you don't wanta miss but are sooo glad to leave.
murray gets most but not all his ideas from the Companion Bible by British Israelist E.W.Bullinger. They're also into J.Capt, the zodiak writer, the book of Adam, book and prophesies of Enoch, and Lord only knows what else. You can't find a history on murray and his sheep aint tellin! Only thing he admits is he 'gets his ordination from the Lord', he belongs to a group of old marines called The Chosen Few, and he's originally from Inglewood, CA. which is less than 10% white folks, and now lives in Granette, Ark. where the number (total pop. is less than 2,000 have about 98% whites. I say its a good place for this good ol' boy.
thanks for the comments and links :)
hey
it seems that his listeners and congregation are very loyal (which is normal for a teacher of his type) so i'm sure it'll be difficult to convince them otherwise.
that being the case, I'd say prayer is the best medicine. don't try to persuade your friends to believe YOU rather than murray, convince them that they should turn to the Word instead of ANY human.
I will be writing a short article on Murray and his ministry in the near future.
So, why do you think Pastor Murray is "garbage"? I'm not trying to be defensive, but I"ve been watching and studying with him for some time now and I can't prove him wrong. If you read the Bible along with the Strong's concordance to further interpret the wordage, which is what Murray does, then you can dig deeper into the true meaning of the bible too. This understanding isn't just exclusive to Murray. I think that God has giving him a gift of understanding, but Murray doesn't claim to be anymore than a teacher and a man of God. If you've ever felt there is something more to the bible than what you've been taught, then just try studying with Murray and prove what he is teaching to be wrong.
bran-muffin,
i've looked into murray quite a bit and i simply can't endorse his teachings. among his numerous errors include the serpent seed doctrine which i have written a more thorough response to below...
A RESPONSE TO ARNOLD MURRAY’S ‘SERPENT SEED’ DOCTRINE
INTRODUCTION
I know, silly question. But this is a doctrine that Arnold Murray of The Shepherd's Chapel is teaching. He uses 5 key passages to 'prove' his doctrine. Below is an analysis of his teaching.
Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
ARNOLD MURRAY
Murray speculates that the serpents’ seed is Cain and Eve’s seed is Abel.
THE TRUTH
There is a MAJOR problem here in that Murray’s teaching demands that Eve was already pregnant at this point (he says she got pregnant at the time she took the fruit), but God’s teaching says she didn’t conceive until after her and Adam were kicked out of the Garden of Eden (they are kicked out in 3:24 and she conceived in 4:1).
The New Testament teaches us that Christ is the fulfillment of this passage, it has nothing to do with Cain and Abel (Romans 16:20, Hebrews 2:14, 1 John 3:8).
Genesis 4:1-2a
Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man." Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
ARNOLD MURRAY
Murray tries to dismiss this verse quickly by saying the Hebrew wording indicates they were twins but had different fathers.
THE TRUTH
This is just absurd. It is no wonder he doesn’t talk at length about this passage considering it destroys his entire argument. He’s wrong about the Hebrew wording. If what he were saying was true, I’d expect at least one translation to support that rendering, but none do. He is the only teacher I’ve ever heard make such a statement and that should raise a red flag. Eve said ‘the LORD’ gave her Cain.
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
ARNOLD MURRAY
He says the Greek word that the KJV renders as ‘beguiled’ means that the Serpent ‘sexually seduced’ Eve
THE TRUTH
The Greek word in question, “Exapatao”, occurs 4 other times in the Bible.
Romans 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Romans 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
1Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Clearly, every other time the word is used, it simply indicates deception, not sexual seduction.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
ARNOLD MURRAY
He says we must interpret the phrase ‘your father’ in a biological sense
THE TRUTH
The word ‘father’ in both Greek and English can be understood in 2 different ways depending on context
1. Biological- Most often, the term is used of a biological father. For example, I can state that my father is Jerry Rose.
2. Founder- Often, we call an ‘founder’ of something a father. For example, we call George Washington a Founding Father of our country. That doesn’t mean, of course, that he is a biological ancestor of every U.S. citizen! It simply means we follow the example of what he started.
Our job when interpreting John 8:44 is to decide which meaning is intended based on the context. The question becomes: “In John 8:44, is Jesus discussing the biological father or a founding father?” The answer is simple because Jesus discusses BOTH types of father’s in the context of the passage so that there is no confusion. In John 8:33 the crowd declared “We are Abraham's descendants”. If Murray is right, we should expect Jesus to reply, “No! You are Satan’s descendants.” But Jesus didn’t respond that way. Instead, He said, “I know you are Abraham's descendants.” Either Arnold Murray is wrong or Jesus is wrong.
Since Jesus is right, John 8:33 establishes that the crowd were biological descendants of Abraham (which proves they were not biological descendants of Satan or Cain). Therefore, John 8:44 must be referring to the 2nd type of fathering. This fits the teachings of Scripture perfectly. John 8:44 is simply saying that Satan is their ‘founding father’ because they follow his example just like George Washington is our ‘founding father’ because we follow his.
Matthew 13:37-38
He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one
ARNOLD MURRAY
Even though the term ‘father’ isn’t used here, Murray treats this passage in the same way as John 8:44 and interprets the ‘sons’ as biological sons.
THE TRUTH
I preached on this text a couple months ago and so I’ve done a lot of research on this passage. Once again, Murray is the ONLY teacher I’ve ever come across that interprets the ‘sons’ as biological sons. The passage is clearly not talking about biological sons. If Murray is right to interpret ‘sons of the evil one’ as biological children then he MUST also interpret ‘sons of the kingdom’ as biological descendants of the ‘Son of Man’ (Jesus). Are we biological ‘sons’ of Jesus? Of course not! The passage isn’t talking about biological descendants. We become God’s children by submitting to His authority. It’s not a biological process, it is a spiritual one. The reverse is also true. We are children of Satan if we follow his example.
CONCLUSION
I did a little extra research on Arnold Murray. I found an audio clip where he ‘jokes’ about shooting a young man in his congregation because the young man disagreed with Murray’s teaching. Murray also denies the orthodox view of the Trinity. He falsely teaches that America and Britain are lost tribes of Israel. Other issues that you may find troublesome include his denial of the eternality of hell, the rapture & interracial marriage.
Matthew,
Well, it seems we agree to disagree and the Bible is something I refuse to "argue" about. So, thanks for your opinion and God Bless.
Bran_muffin
God bless you as well :)
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